Thursday, November 3, 2011

Xenon Detection in Reactor 2: Different Detection Limits on Different Days at Different Sampling Locations

Spontaneous fission, says TEPCO, the NISA says they cannot rule out criticality, and no one cares as no one believes either of them.

Here's another reason not to believe them, or take their words at face value: TEPCO tested at different locations and for different durations for the nuclides in the gas that was sucked out of the CV of Reactor 2.

Take a look at the table below, which I compiled from TEPCO's handout for the press on November 2, 2011. For each nuclide, the detected amount and the detection limit are listed for October 28, November 1, and November 2.

I was fooled when I first looked at the result of October 28, when TEPCO started the gas management system in Reactor 2. Krypton and xenon were all below detection limit. Then on November 1, they were all detected, and on November 2 xenon-133 (half life 5 days) seemingly dropped out, but other nuclides increased slightly. I thought "Something must have happened between October 28 and November 1."

That was what some reporters at the press conference on November 2 were wondering, and TEPCO's Matsumoto went along with them, not saying anything definite but hinting that the fission event was recent.

WRONG. These reporters didn't look at the fine print. (Well, neither did I...)

On October 28, the detection limits were HIGH, including those for radioactive iodine and cesium (not in the table above), indicating TEPCO didn't test long enough. That can also be inferred from the "date of sampling" information, because for October 28, no duration is indicated in the TEPCO's press handout. The nuclides may well have been in the gas on October 28 but weren't detected.

Then I also noticed that the samples were taken at different locations. On October 28, the sampling location was "gas sampling system intake"; on November 1 and 2, it was "gas sampling system dust radiation monitor".

For some unknown reason, between October 28 and November 1, someone somewhere in TEPCO seems to have decided to test longer, and at a different location. It is also possible that the dust radiation monitor was simply not ready on October 28, although I doubt that even TEPCO would start running the system before the system components were put in place and functional.

And do not be fooled that xenon-133 stopped being detected on November 2. Look at the detection limit for xenon-133 on November 1 and compare it to November 2: 10^-6 vs 10^-5. Since the amount of xenon-133 found on November 1 was in the order of 10^-6, it may well have been present in the sample on November 2, but not detected.

Here's TEPCO's handout for the press (11/2/2011):

October 28, 2011 (2nd measurement):

November 1, 2011:

November 2, 2011:

Here's the Reactor 2's gas management system overview, as released by TEPCO on October 27, 2011:

TEPCO and the Japanese government don't even know where the corium is or whether the Containment Vessel has been breached (most likely). Sucking the gas out of the Containment Vessel, which may or may not have the corium, to "reduce the amount of radioactive materials" is like trying to scoop water with a sieve.

(H/T anon reader)

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

TEPCOTheater has yet to play by one factual script.

One would assume their job is challenging. Should I say impossible. How have they managed to play the fraud and manipulate the global audience in front of three meltdowns almost seven months now?

And then you’re telling no cons piracy T-here? Hello.

Be assured, TEPCOTheater will continue unhindered as long as the CO2ns manage the global crowd via MSM, as long as human mind loves lies more that The Truth. This theatrics story has been sold and eagerly bought: some news even told there was a temporary power production shutdown 28.10.2011 in reactor 2... People are happy to hear that lie, they demand it.

And then you’re telling no global cons piracy T-here? Hello. You get a Nobel from the biggest lies: John Swinton, NYTimes, press club speech 1953: "We are behind the scenes prostitutes, tools of the rich. We are paid to write lies - if you try to write facts, you know it will never be printed, you will find yourselves searching for new job.”

Anonymous said...

Anon, you forgot to mention the jesuits somewhere in your rant.

Anonymous said...

"Sucking the gas out of the Containment Vessel, which may or may not have the corium"

Since they detected Xenon-135 from the air coming from inside the containment it's clear that at least part of the fuel is still there.

Anonymous said...

„˙ʇuɐɹ ɹnoʎ uı ǝɹǝɥʍǝɯos sʇınsǝɾ ǝɥʇ uoıʇuǝɯ oʇ ʇoƃɹoɟ noʎ 'uouɐ„

Facts missing ? □ Check
Hates Facts ? □ Check
Invents Facts ? □ Check
Can't stay on issue ? □ Check

...the dodge-teen.

no6ody said...

Anon at 1:09am: I have no argument with the intent of your post, but just in case anyone cares about Mr. Swinton's actual words...

John Swinton, a preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of the press-titues in 1880. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Some things haven't changed!

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Facts missing ? □ Check
Hates Facts ? □ Check
Invents Facts ? □ Check
Can't stay on issue ? □ Check"


Pot calling kettle black.

Anonymous said...

" ...some news even told there was a temporary power production shutdown 28.10.2011 in reactor 2."

WTF? power production shutdown? So, they're still harnessing power from the FUBARium blob that has breached primary containment?? Yeah, that's why the stacks are still pumping!

You pull this stuff out yo ass, don'tcha.

Anonymous said...

Can people please get onto this and comment , its a youtube interview with Wade Allison, a total lunatic http://youtu.be/Uj8Pl1AiOuA ... click dislike and make it viral

Anonymous said...

Stop babbling on. For some, this website is life and death information sharing. Go outside and play. Enjoy it, the fresh air, as many innocent human being effected by this human disaster can't play outside in fresh air...

Anonymous said...

Wade Allison is plugging his book. Damn, what people won't do for a buck.

Anonymous said...

THIS is why I read EX-SKF on a daily basis.

You might be right, you might be wrong, but you are honestly harvesting all (or most) sources of information about Fukushima dai ichi and you are presenting it in a way we can understand, like or dislike, but still understand. And you are doing it honestly, based on the facts (even if the source is TEPCO or the Japanese gov.).
This is true journalism.

I hope you can live from this blog, and if I were a newspaper manager I would hire you, but I'm not, so please continue your hard and unconsidered daily burden because I'll keep reading.

Thank you so much for what you have done so far, and thank you in advance for what's coming.

Anonymous said...

If anybody wants a perspective on why the Japanese are behaving in such a mind boggling ignorant way then please read this,

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20111101ad.html

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Anonymous said...

ANYBODY AND I MEAN ANYBODY that tries and deduce something logical from the supplied gov numbers IS JUST WASTING THEIR TIME....! garbage in garbage out...to properly figure out what is happening, you need to have real credible data and you will not get it from TEPCO.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

" ...some news even told there was a temporary power production shutdown 28.10.2011 in reactor 2."

Sorry folks. FYI. Local baseless MSM, some call it 'news'.

Alas trolls cant (under)stand any info, never provide any.

Anonymous said...

"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Some things haven't changed!
November 4, 2011 6:38 AM "

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Now. Heres the point whomever has ears: "WE" the ants controlled by the death-0aths in the local L0dge...

The Lodge visited monthly by the Virus: 0rdo Ab Cha0

UK has 9856 L0dges, each 10-1000 members, here's one exposee http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8713343/Freemasons-in-the-police-leading-the-attack-on-David-Camerons-riot-response.html

Anonymous said...

Anon at 1:09am: I have no argument with the intent of your post, but just in case anyone cares about Mr. Swinton's actual words...

John Swinton, a preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of the press-titues in 1880. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

Some things haven't changed!
November 4, 2011 6:38 AM


Thanks for the full script.

Anonymous said...

"ANYBODY AND I MEAN ANYBODY that tries and deduce something logical from the supplied gov numbers IS JUST WASTING THEIR TIME..."

You said it! Look at the Fuku thread on the nuke engineering forum--too funny. Calculations, calculations, pages and pages, FOR NOUGHT! You know the numbers are wrong when TEPCO is the one giving them out and that's now one of the universal constants.

Anonymous said...

Now. Heres the point whomever has ears: "WE" the ants controlled by the death-0aths in the local L0dge.*..

Oooookaaaay...so let's see, how many people and groups of people do you hate...

The Pope, Catholics, Jesuits, Muslims, Freemasons*, Russians, Lesbians, and basically anyone who doesn't follow the KJV Bible....did I miss anyone?

Anonymous said...

I will say, in the nuclear engineering forum's defense, at least they don't have posters ranting on about utterly ignorant drivel. They are trying to understand the situation just as we all are. I've learned a lot from both that site and this one, thanks to serious effort by well-meaning people.

Anonymous said...

"The Lodge visited monthly by the Virus: 0rdo Ab Cha0"

speaking in tongues???

Anonymous said...

"The Lodge visited monthly by the Virus: 0rdo Ab Cha0"

speaking in tongues???

Anonymous said...

6:38,

Swinton forgot one thing, but then again it was probably strongly implied,

that on a personal level between two individuals he'd give you his honest opinion .. on ANYTHING.

More, I'm sure, than many collecting bribes can say.


2:13,
"so let's see, how many people and groups of people do you hate...
....did I miss anyone?"
His therapist?
lol

We all knew TEPCO would be fudging it when they did not take steps early on to measure nuclides in the steam gases, or at least not tell what they found when they did test.
Now it's more TEPCO demonstrating the randomness of their contempt for any oversight.
Eye-opening that the only people that really matter are those with geigers or scintillators.

Fall Out Man! said...

The Japanese government has already released a million dollar contract to a PR firm to monitor blogs, gather information, and influence public opinion through posting. The CIA boasts they have software that allows call center operators to run 10 different fake identities on line per person to sway opinion in online forums. Throughout the fukushima crisis I have seen many blatant examples of PR, and blatant examples of "shills" using basic psychological tricks to drive people away from sites like this.

When you see shill like behavior, ignore it, or tell them to leave. This blog has typically had very informative, very witty, and very sensible comments. But as more and more is poured into fighting the truth by the Nuke industry and their corporate captured governments, we will see more bizarre posts.

At some point, it may be necessary to force people to register with the site, to help keep a lid on the shills.

I actually posted a comment correcting some disinformation being promoted on a pro nuke site set up by a Nuke energy consultant. I realized later from the language used, the same guy had been posting to Enenews under another identity. His general approach was to hurl bizarre insults at people and claim they had their facts wrong and were an idiot when they were obviously telling the truth and had backed it up with fair links.

I called him out on it, and haven't seen the liar since. Conscience finally got the better of him. Remember, for some people this information will be life and death. There is a real cost in lives to being perverse enough to cause trouble or try to disrupt open communication of the truth.

There's been three melt throughs and a fuel pool fire. Miscarriage rates spiked in areas of the USA that got rain soon after Fuku blew up. (Same happened after chernobyl) Its a big deal. The information on this blog is genuinely saving lives.

To the shills - Can you live with your conscience knowing what spreading lies will cost some people their lives? Something to think about for those paid to troll and disrupt these forums.

Anonymous said...

2:13,
"so let's see, how many people and groups of people do you hate...
....did I miss anyone?"
His therapist?
lol


He and I agree on this one, I hate his therapist too. Double LOL.

Anonymous said...

Mushrooms eventually kill...

Anonymous said...

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John Swinton...: "We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

The main point - that Swinton cant utter - is the common denominator of these "rich men". They are to be kept hidden "behind the scenes" - their clubs so secret they common man can’t believe they exist. The common man is commonly known to digest daily the program these evil AIDS-prostitutes deliver, being infected the same virus and conforming into whatever is in the plan given from above...

He says all they have this same clear goal: keep it that way or you’re out. ...”and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print.”
Monitoring of all these underlings in the brotherhood global machinery is strict. As reader well knows, most blogs would have immediately deleted that posts above, here for some reason it is not yet done. The infected magpies try to compensate that with caw & sht. Easily discerned by how their inventions stink.

More at http://wp.me/pwIAV-19

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Anonymous said...

The depth of infection can be measured from the patient by listening his output parroting: which of the Swinton diseases has she/he accepted? In the mutAnts –example, the healthy ants carried all dead and obviously sick in their rubber heap, far away from the nest. Thus one can see that being in or near the nest is crucial for those prostitutes to thrive.

The infected always glorify equally infected groups. Most are used in killings and mass slavery, murders of innocent’s in their own group – let alone groups programmed to them as enemies. Most of the time all dimensions of the infection skulk hideously, by “men behind the scenes”. One of the main message is that this group is clean, above all. Some assassins are even named by that: itaine means above all. Like ‘jesu – itane’ means above Jesus. (Thus His hate declaration in Revelation book 2:6.) Alas, there isn’t any group that cannot fall ill; one has to always be vigilant how to hear, what to eat.

So what Swinton implies in his ramble is typical of his itaine-ilk: when “revealing secrets”, they always set new traps for the programmed in their shining path – their future where they rule the whole globe. Can you discern those seeds?

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Just to remind about the danger, TEPCOmutAnts version 2:

TEPCO mutANTS; "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise"; Me !? ... Ok, so I went to see...

Amazonian Ant -species is bedeviled by a certain fungus. Its spores can enter into ant brains, causing it to climb. After infection this worker will drop any job and start to climb, whatever happens, it just climbs regardless others. Eventually the ant will die grasping the branch, so it won’t fall. At its death, brains eaten out, a TEPCO-fungus pipe will sprout from its eye socket, start to flourish. After maturing, the fungus from the pipe will send its spores floating onto all the CO2-cheated population down below... The fallout is not visible, even if it was, ants would not even want to know... the do admire those hi-climbers.

I now have a name for this particular TEPCO-fungus-'pollen': Nukespore.

Furthermore, there is another mutAnt Maltese species having bags full of the spores, selling death in the darkness of night - various G.E.ne-tic spore variants - onto all living species on this planet... Open your MSM TV-news in any spot of the globe, watch theses knightly climbers, see how their spores electrifies anyone impressed by its radiating fallout. Lately this fallout has lubed Finland, Jordan, and a process is going even in Mongolia ...

Check the BBC-video from youtube and note how in the first phase as its the head is emptying, the pore-programmed interests turn into its rear end hole...

Admire. Inhale. Start the climb...

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References to my most censored comment for all ages:
- Proverbs 6:6. & http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
- Cordyceps: attack of the killer fungi - Planet Earth Attenborough BBC wildlife http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8
- Ants in one of the ‘Swintons’ mekkaLOOPs, stoning of the devils http://news.discovery.com/animals/zombie-ants-fungus-amazon-110303.html

Anonymous said...

Triple WTF??? ^^^ Sh0ve y0ur gamer/hacker ling0 where the sun d0n't shine.

Anonymous said...

The depth of infection can be measured from the patient by listening his output parroting: which of the Swinton diseases has she/he accepted?

Check the BBC-video from youtube and note how in the first phase as its the head is emptying, the pore-programmed interests turn into its rear end hole...


Hmm. 2nd stage. Seek help, you may still possibly be cured ...

Anonymous said...

Can you all quit your "hAckeR#" or Swinton or whatever else bullshit here...go to Enenews or anywhere else for that. Please.

I posted a comment on that same post above, hoping to reach people who want to discuss seriously. I do live in Japan (Tokyo, Koto-ku) where radiation is up to 2.2 microsieverts at the back of a supermarket 500m from where I'm typing thoses lines.

I have a 18 month old boy that doesn't play much in the park because of the fukushima accident.

So please, if you just want to troll or if you are just a little lonely, think a minute about what you are doing.

Fukushima is not a joke you can pull out between well (or not so well) informed friends.

This accident is the reason why several thousand - and maybe more - people will die younger than they should.

Please, show some respect.

I'm not the author of this blog and he might feel a different way, but for me, you can bash the japanese gov. as much as you want as long as you don't overflow the comments of this blog.
Again, people are reading this on a daily basis because this is pretty much the best source of information about the fukushima accident.

I'm sure you understand and I do thank you in advance.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Mushrooms eventually kill..."

Unfortunately not fast enough to do away with Finnish trolls.

Anyone got some got some e-garlic and a wooden e-stake?

Anonymous said...

8:38,

"The depth of infection can be measured from the patient by listening his output parroting "

The doctor offering his prognosis may diagnose himself when parroting w/out realizing he is parroting.
Happens when he consistently comes up short in his prognosis, conveniently ALWAYS forgetting himself ..


You see, this is what I specialize in, returning people .. to themselves. lol

Anonymous said...

You specialize in incomprehensible blather, with obsessive use of the word "parroting" while posting to yourself.

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