Wednesday, December 14, 2011

#Radiation in Japan: Osaka Decided on the Standard to Accept Disaster (Radioactive) Debris (Goodbye Kansai)

I have written about the dynamic duo of Osaka who are very eager to help those poor people in Tohoku buried under the mountains of disaster debris which happens to be radioactive.

Now, apparently without further interference from pesky citizens who try to stop them from bring the debris all the way to Osaka to be burned and buried, the committee of select experts have agreed on the safety standard to be used in accepting and processing the debris throughout Osaka, and the governor is to come up with the detailed guidelines by the year-end.

From Yomiuri Shinbun Kansai Version (12/15/2011):

震災がれき受け入れ安全基準まとめる…大阪府専門家会議

Osaka Prefecture Expert Committee decided on the safety standard to accept disaster debris

東日本大震災で発生したがれきや廃棄物について、大阪府の専門家会議は14日、受け入れを前提とした安全基準をまとめた。松井一郎知事は「安全性が確保されれば、被災地復興に国を挙げて協力するべきだ」と前向きで、年内にも基準を踏まえ府の処理指針を定める考え。今後、府内市町村に理解を求めていくとみられる。

The expert committee of Osaka Prefecture decided on the safety standard to accept the disaster debris and waste from the March 11 earthquake/tsunami. Governor Ichiro Matsui is positive about accepting the debris, saying "As long as it is safe, the entire nation should cooperate so that the disaster-affected area will recover." The governor plans to establish the prefectural guidelines for processing the debris based on the safety standard [decided upon on December 14]. It is expected that the municipalities in Osaka will be asked to cooperate.

 放射線の専門家らによるこの日の会議では、受け入れ安全基準について、1キロあたりの放射性セシウムの測定値は100ベクレル以下、埋め立て可能な焼却灰は国基準(同8000ベクレル以下)より厳しい同2000ベクレル以下が妥当とした。

The expert committee made up of radiation expert agreed as appropriate on the level of radioactive cesium in the debris at 100 becquerels/kg and less to accept the debris, and the level of radioactive cesium in the ashes after the debris is burned at 2000 becquerels/kg and less, stricter than the national standard of 8000 becquerels/kg and less.

 ただ、府が受け入れを決めても、焼却施設などを所有する市町村側が応じるかどうかは不透明。府には、受け入れに反対する府民らから約1万2000件の意見が寄せられており、実現には曲折も予想される。

However, even if Osaka Prefecture decides to accept the debris, it is not clear whether the municipalities with incineration facilities will cooperate. The Osaka prefectural government has so far received about 12,000 messages from Osaka residents who are against accepting the debris, and it is possible that the debris acceptance may encounter complications.

Complications? I don't think so. There's nothing that these politicians cannot overcome with patience, when they see either fame or money. Just listen to the mayor of Daisen City in Akita Prefecture, who has decided to accept disaster radioactive debris. He said,

(住民が)『仕方がない』と言うところまで話し合う。

I will persuade the residents until they give up and say "OK, no other choice".

There you have it. They will keep at it until the residents become so weary that they simply give up. Worked every time in the past.

And never mind that their math is wrong; debris with 100 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium in the debris will become ashes with 3300 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium, exceeding the just-established Osaka limit of 2000 becquerels/kg. I guess they are not too worried about details.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

"poor people in Tohoku buried under the mountains of disaster debris which happens to be radioactive"

laprimavera, you have not provided any evidence or reason why the tsunami debris would be radioactive outside of areas affected by fallout. Just because you repeat it over and over doesn't make it true. Check the Hayakawa maps and see what part of the coast of Tohoku may be affected.The rest is just disinformation.

arevamirpal::laprimavera said...

Evidence? Reason? It is radioactive, as admitted by the Ministry of the Environment, as admitted by the Miyagi Prefecture and Iwate Prefecture who tested the debris.

Anonymous said...

The problem is that you are trying to mix tsunami debris and radioactive contamination created by fallout from Fukushima.

Even after posting the maps created by Prof Hayakawa several times, you are still stupid enough to link Tohoku (in general) with the nuclear disaster, when the most affected regions are Kanto (in general) and Fukushima (within Tohoku).

So stop crying wolf because the tsunami debris cause the people in Iwate and Miyagi already had enough.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so I think what the above Anonymous is trying to say is, "the tsunami debris outside of Kanto and Fukushima isn't (as) radioactive", and "you are upsetting the people of Iwate and Miyagi by linking them to the nuclear disaster".

no6ody said...

It is obvious that what is wrong here is the politicians who regard their citizenry as a PROBLEM. Citizens who fear for their health are interfering with 'appearances' and 'making money.' I suppose it is the same the world over, but that does not make it acceptable.

When there is a toxic spill of any sort, a rational person does NOT go spreading it around. There are huge areas that are already contaminated--why haul even slightly radioactive stuff to populated areas to burn? Especially when certain people have lied and lied again about the severity of this accident--why believe them now?

Congrats, arevamirpal::laprimavera! You must be doing something right or the nuclear version of the 'Fifty Cent Party' wouldn't be here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
"The commentators are said to be paid for every post that either steers a discussion away from anti-party or sensitive content on domestic websites..."

Stupid trolls.

Anonymous said...

A fair conjecture on the trolling is that they are Navy personnel. For them it is a short step away from their daily tasks, one of which is to browbeat ceaselessly any Navy personnel who express the slightest concern about radiation while shipboard. A daily project or hobby they take on with relish as it makes them feel they are 'in' when in fact they are 'out'.

lol

They may even be GE personnel, lol.

Anonymous said...

Politicians regard their citizens like dumb serfs and in the majority of cases that is exactly what they are-well fed, stupid, bought and sold sheeple. How else would these politburo-esque leeches be re-elected time after time after time?
This is what happens when you don't give a **** about democracy...and your press is likewise bought and sold their news and stories. Last week a politician speaking 'off the record' in Okinawa said 'you don't tell a woman you are going to rape her, before you do' (this said in regard to how the gov will fukk all over the Okinawans decisions re the US base there).
That muppet in Tokyo told the people to 'Shut Up'. Now this ashlok in Osaka is bolshy and he has only been elected a few days!!

The public have only ever wanted bread and circus. Not something to actually 'think about'. Gracious!

I wouldn't be too fussed about Osaka. All the smoke will blow over to Tokyo anyway. Osaka's not such a big deal (any more). The folk there are most likely munching on contaminated foodstuffs anyway. So be it.

The poster who thinks the tsunami debris isn't contaminated needs to study the WIND maps for the last 8 months or so. That whole San Riku coast (and Miyagi) has been dumped on daily...and those poor folk who were living in the evacuation centers-dumped on daily,too.

Truth will out. Eventually and well after the event-as we are seeing almost every other day now.

Anonymous said...

ACRO release its result for september -> November :
http://www.acro.eu.org/OCJ_en.html

Press release (15.12.2011)
http://www.acro.eu.org/CP_ACRO_151211_en.pdf

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 5:18 AM

"The poster who thinks the tsunami debris isn't contaminated needs to study the WIND maps for the last 8 months or so."

The wind maps for the last 8 months? Fallout anywhere outside of the immediate perimeter of the plant hasn't been a problem for the last 8 months. Even the data for Okuma, which is right next to the plant, shows that: "Of the 6,836,050 becquerels that fell [between March and June], 94% fell during March, attesting to the severity of the situation right after the accident." http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/12/now-they-tell-us-series-radioactive.html

Reading the headline of this post makes me fucking angry, "Goodbye Kansai"?

laprimavera, if you were one of those stupid kids that don't know anything about Japan's geography it would have a pass, but having all the information you have, knowing that the coast of Iwate or Miyagi isn't anywhere near as contaminated than most of Kanto, knowing that all prefectures in Kanto have been burning their own radioactive garbage and sewage sludge for 9 months producing radioactive ashes way above the 2,000 Bq/Kg Osaka plans to use and that no one has detected any general increase in radiation surrounding the processing plants (yeah, not even Prof Yamauchi, contact him and ask him directly, you have his mail here: http://www.research.kobe-u.ac.jp/gmsc-iris/personal/yamauchi.htm)...

You have all the information necessary and you are still repeating this shit about the tsunami debris being "the end for Kansai."

arevamirpal::laprimavera said...

I have a direct contact with Professor Yamauchi, thank you. By the way it was Professor Yamauchi himself who surveyed Koto-ku and concluded that the incineration plant may be the cause of elevated radiation and soil contamination in parts of Koto-ku.

Anonymous said...

I dunno if I'm understanding this correctly, but even if people reference data, it doesn't mean that we're getting the big picture on everything. There's always something we're overlooking.

Also, it's silly to argue about less contamination versus more contamination. How about NO contamination, like the way things were before?

Fall Out Man! said...

It would look very bad for the Nuclear industry if Osaka or any other part of Japan relatively untouched by the melt downs had very obviously better health statistics than other areas closer to the plant. I do wonder if that could be why the authorities are spreading the radiation around and encouraging all areas to eat food from contaminated zones. Whatever the case, small amounts of radiation do matter. Not necessarily for cancer, but certainly for other diseases such as heart disease and stroke. All of it increases the mutation rate and that permanently degrades the genome. Most mutations individually are undetectable. But collectively they increase genetic load. Natural selection cannot weed out such mutations. For that reason, all radioactive fallout brings every species closer to extinction. Spreading radiation to uncontaminated areas is just plain evil, and will degrade the genome down through the generations. This is a disaster for the Japanese people and their own government is making it worse by covering up the truth. The focus on cancer is a deliberate side track. Chernobyl showed that all diseases increase even at low radiation doses. Hence burning rad waste in what should be clean areas is simply criminal.

http://enenews.com/expert-beware-fukushima-radiation-causing-deadly-heart-problems-children-kids-already-suffering-heart-attacks-locals-affected-areas-video

Anonymous said...

You know what this sh*t you spouted reminds me of ?, it reminds of the psychological scarring resulting from taking orders that you know are of negative value and following those orders regardless.

".. knowing that all prefectures in Kanto have been burning their own radioactive garbage and sewage sludge for 9 months producing radioactive ashes way above the 2,000 Bq/Kg Osaka plans to use and that no one has detected any general increase in radiation surrounding the processing plants ...

You have all the information necessary and you are still repeating this shit about the tsunami debris being "the end for Kansai." "

"no .. general increase", cite your source for such a statement.

I declare 'the end for 4:06 PM'.

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